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Is there a crisis in the caving?

This is a topic that I'm sure we could debate among many of us and certainly with different criteria. In any case, I expose my theory and each presents its findings and if you want to challenge you to. The amount of thought always creates an approach that unifies theories and concepts. In my opinion, the caving has traditionally been through bumps and I believe and hope that this is one more. The only difference between these potholes have been the circumstances that have contributed to this occurs.

Firstly there is also the view that these bumps are good because it clears a bit of a movement within the caving that could be harmful. That is, the overcrowding in caving is not good, or what is, best few good. Apparently I have seen agree in part with this concept and if we do not see the example of Canyoning in which the "intrusion" is rampant and not because they are not federated with no right to practice, but because many times and with an outlet on a business adventure, and it is believed people educated enough to go it alone. The result is that this year we have a wealth of accidents in Barrancos never seen before and most are people who are neither in the FCE and the FEEC and they are beginners, novices. If

move this issue to the caving (fortunately it is not currently the case) all that philosophy for years has cost us learn, like not doing graffiti, not destroy unnecessarily formations, the carbide take with you (although this is falling alone), not littering ... ... .. etc. etc., it would go to ruin and eventually lose all those who understand the true message of what lies beneath our feet.

Returning to what is proposed, and currently, there is a generational crisis issue and is determined primarily by what is called "raising the quality of life." The paradox is that more quality of life, fewer associations and more individualism. That fact was never produced in the 70's and not by increasing quality of life, but rather the opposite. The odd thing is that while it was the case that they formed groups of people whose aim was to join to make large cavities, if mostly in Catalunya but not, as most still did not have enough purchasing power to take a car or go to Peaks. Thus was born groups within the same groups as the "Virgin", the "Flowers", the "Visigoths", etc. or groups of people bounced from different groups in which they saw their needs met as was the case of "Shotfirers."

could apply this same case today is that the GEXXI and unfortunately, there is a generational shift in the clubs and these are being depleted and lacking in this "partnership" that we enjoyed in the 60, 70, 80 ... ... ... Someone asked, which is about fellowship with the caving and caving is that per se, the fact of going to make a cavity and then every one to his house, an act cold and senseless as it is not the mere application up and down. The caving is more, it's friendship, is collaboration, is a philosophy of life, much more. The truth is that it is a way of being with your friends and socialize with them outside of the cavity and in between breaks.

As an example, I remember that in the 70, you were going with your rock to "Pleta" or "Campgrás" and you always meet people from other groups did not know anything and that automatically and you from friends, and even we got to share to the cavity. Also not seen again, but I left their mark captured in photos that look today with nostalgia and even without knowing even the names of these colleagues. What happens is that we knew that next weekend the same thing happen in "Sant Llorenç" or wherever we were.

Today, hardly see anyone out there. It has lost the companionship, romance or that ye will call and hence the logic of appearing as GEXXI groups or other groups that I wish to appear, since they are the basis of the survival of a know-how is being lost over the years. Perhaps

and as I said before, it's better than no uncontrolled 2000 to lthough it is also true is that for these groups to do their business, they must have others who wear yourself out kicking area for new cavities, which, by luck has not lessened but mostly those who carry on their backs are the same 20 or 30 years.
What is certain is that need new generations to pull the car and what is fashionable is to try everything a little but not engaged, which is negative to the point of extinction to reach if there is a change of attitude in a society has settled into the armchair viéndoselas come easily.

is difficult to predict the future, although it is true that history is full of unexpected reversals and believe and trust you have to have a turn to boredom and loneliness in which humanity now lives. Remember one thing, is that humanity is going to "stick" and so in times of dictatorship (the last 2) is when people are coming together for a common purpose, hence came the golden age of caving (as many say, is that at that time or you were going to "drive" or I missed you the mountain, there was more), but democracy came with all its charm and we're still enchanted by do not tell "gawking."

Lastly, to clarify that I am speaking of Catalonia, as in the rest of English history need not be the same. While it is true that, like great empires have fallen over the years, remember the example that for years the French were the masters of global exploration and today, the beans are cooked in Ukraine and neighboring countries in which just there is no democracy European style called "civilized."

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Anecdotes (4) - The Spirits of Puetons.

years ago (as usual) several colleagues GELER GM decided to go to "l'Avenc Puetons dels", just a week after a fatal accident occurred. We planned

down the small entrance to split the first well and when we arrived we met with an electron in the vegetation that surely left or the rescue or the same colleagues who had gone to make the cavity.

One component of our group was the typical mental horny making a joke of a speck of dust and there began con sus gracias a animarnos la velada a costa del pobre accidentado de la semana anterior.

Hay gente que tiene gracia para hacer y decir las cosas, pero hay otros que lo que tienen es una auténtica desgracia para él y para los demás. Este era de esos.

Nos dio una jornada que a más de uno lo hubiera estrangulado con tal de que se callara porque nos puso a todos los nervios de punta. Que si se nos va a aparecer el muerto……. que si lo llevábamos al lado…………….que si patatin………que si patatan. Yo recuerdo que me tocó bajar el primero, a electron, el tramo final del primer pozo y mi colega pues nada dándome la “buya” and taking into account the darkness and the bad feeling he had at that point in the rest of the team my nerves were like spikes and to top it all off, just missed that 5 meters zaaaaaaaaaas down ... .. ... ... ... .. is rung ran until he met with the next.

deep breath as I remembered, not the dead, if not graciosillo colleague's family.

And so, ran the scan until the rise to the same well, it fell to fellow up the last and see where the acetylene was playing him a trick and he put out continuously. That's where the other a devilish grin came to us and we all agreed that this was our chance to avenge the sexy that we had screwed up the day.
The colleague is sick of "Garlick" the acetylene and decided to climb to the touch (going dark). On the ledge where we were, there was a twig plant would come there from outside and of course, was a matter of aim, but we decided to throw it wherever he went parallel to the electron.

Spirits were at that time with us and wanted the branch pass caressing the face of the colleague, who, after a cry, broke the speed record rise of 20 meters. electron. As the man, pale, with the heart that left him looking at us astonished chest, the rest of us on the floor revolcábamos bellyache so much laughter. I will not put here, the compliments that you gave us but the you can imagine. Once past the brawl, and while our colleague was silenced forever the rest of us was a smiling face have been something like "the righteous blessing." Certainly

me in this stretch has always passed me something and now I remember and already existing techniques, in a post workshop output and lowering the ramp that links the 2 wells, one in front of me yelled "piedraaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa" I I curled up like turtles as he heard the stone bouncing towards me. Suddenly I noticed an impact on the wrist and the stone is that even vi.

I touch the hit and saw that it did not hurt, but ... .... horror ... ... ... .... the clock was "descuajaringao" and completely destroyed. Continue the ascent lamenting the lost material and my fortune in the physical part ... ... ... ... ... as I remembered the relatives who shouted it from "piedraaaaaaaaaaaaaaa."

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alarms that may be excessive

alarms recently have jumped on cavities which CO2 concentrations are above normal. The downside of this is that it has created a kind of "collective madness" that predisposes more if possible to enter a cavity in fear meet what is called "hypoxia."

Linguistically speaking there is a mistake to speak of cavities with hypoxia, hypoxia and that we have us, not the cavity. Anyway the important thing is knowing that we speak and if by "hypoxic chambers" we understand, so be it.

'm not a scientist and therefore I will only comment on what they have said yes they are and what I've read out there.
The causes can be many and endless and may even that in some cases is not due to lack of oxygen. The first thing you can get to embarrass it seems that some people are more predisposed to suffer from hypoxia than others when it is logical that an excessive concentration of CO2 affect all alike (Remember the unfortunate mistake of a group of hikers in the Canary error that goes into a cave at the bottom of which there was little oxygen and I think that with the exception of 2 that did not go as in, the rest died of suffocation).

Talking with a friend, doctor and caver, told me that one of the many reasons could be the "climate change" (curiously I said not long ago in a forum and someone called "geta ecology"). It is also possible by increased air pollution that seeps into the limestone creating CO2 and I pointed to a lack of fitness in some cases when getting into cavities "athletic."

What is certain is that the theory that when it rains, it produces more CO2 is somewhat contradictory that it's raining right now less than before.

This reminds me of my youth in which there was only one cavity made famous by the "l'Avenc Pompeu Fabra. What happens is that this cavity and is an extreme case as it is now the "Avenc of GIESC." One of the times Pompeu experience lower to higher (all) a migraine and a drunken impressive. The second time you try to enter, just leave a group just for the sake of bringing the head to the cavity, I extinguished the flame of acetylene. Taking a carbide gave pressure to stop me out a flame from those of palm and a half and everything and it was off again. I repeat that these are extreme cases.

What is certain and that leads me to associate with what is happening now is that in some pockets, suddenly lit acetylene less than normal and even fan the flame down again. There was water, had Carbide, he was driving a bump and you remembered their relatives ... ... ... .. but nothing. Suddenly and without apparent cause the flame returned to its normal intensity. That gives to think that there are areas where there are cavities in higher concentrations of CO2 than normal and hence the poorer calls, apart from this that some migraines that came so suddenly and could be due to fatigue, but perhaps also a somewhat rarefied atmosphere.

What keeps crashing is that in more than 100 years that there is caving, has never been a case like the present (more than a dozen cavities reported in 2 months), so if that makes us think that something is changing. What?, I will leave that to the experts.
What seems logical and well I commented to my friend is that with several consecutive cases prudence dictates that someone would have to investigate these phenomena, which my friend gave me the reason but he said that the investigation would be lengthy and costly, making it unfeasible for the time. Anyway

calls everyone a bit of sanity and not panic because in principle need not be fatal accident of this kind, if it is in a group, recalling once again the danger of visiting a cavity "alone." Undoubtedly

immediate withdrawal time is the best antidote and since today most go with "led", it is worth carrying precaution a lighter that can reveal a low oxygen atmosphere. Also recommended for those who after an induction course to get into major cavities is more a medical checkup as any cardiac or respiratory small lesion may appear to make an effort than we've done so far.

In order that as it is customary to say all too careful and on the other side is not positive social triggering an alarm of this type. In the FCE concerned about the extent that you are taking the case, especially when this may lead to an eventual ban on visiting the cavities of affected areas, by Administration, especially if located in National Parks. Thus lose the entire group.
There cavities that have been reported and the next week has been another group and nothing has happened. By this I mean that perhaps the concentrations of CO2 are temporary and based on something that is to be determined.

In any case, whether by the "hypoxia" or by a physical problem, it's best to be vigilant but not obsessed, and the slightest hint or discomfort, leave the exploration and if possible visit another cavity. Everyone is free to do whatever he wants, but the fact promote cavities "outlawed" in the forums the only thing it does is increasing alarm. A note on these forums announcing own experience is good, first for everyone to be careful and second on whether people who are able to determine the causes, they can serve as reference in their particular investigations.

not forget, much less the problem, but we can not get into a cavity thinking that we can drown. For that, better stay home.

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ANECDOTES (3) - AN ANNOUNCED AND OTHER NEAR DEATH

73 In September I went with two friends to do caving in the area around Barcelona. One of the 2, Luis, was Chilean and at that time he was 17. A happy kid, big, strong, witty, very good person.
At that time it was caving with techniques that remembering them makes my skin crawl. It was the time to keep the electron to go down to "rappel" with those protections leather shoulder that some were replicas of authentic saddles horses. To make it more interesting raced to see who came before or to see who was able to come down with a single bound. To marinate more so the facilities were very simple and no one was going through my head of what would happen if that petaba. Come on, you only say that the height was seen in a cavity "Ordal" a group down to "rappel" with a rope that had bits and pieces without a T-shirt ... ... ... and as hot dogs.
The ascent was made with the technique of "Jumars.
The fact is that by that time my two friends took a week off to "Campgrás" to make as many holes as possible. I was bar examinations, and I could not climb and just one day after returning from one of these tests was eating with the radio on when they reported that Luis had been killed in the "Avenc of the frigate." I missed the winning shot and the first thing I did was call my colleague to ask what had happened. The poor half crying told me they had stuck a "cliff" of those of 30 cms. and that at that time were very popular especially in areas such as "Garraf" which is damn hard to find a tree and they said that to know if it was OK nailed or not, as he pegábamos with the hammer had to feel what called "the edge of the cliff."
The fact is that in our youth never reparábamos unconsciousness in a side tie for safety and the unique cliff the rope hung down to "rappel" (my partner huffed and puffed that the escarpment was well nailed, thing we know is not never made me doubt him, although his club colleagues had to find a scapegoat and was expelled by royal decree of your club). The first down was typical Louis and then ... ... ... ... ... it leverages the "rebate" at the mouth of the frigate and gave a boost to reach base in the shortest time possible. Bad and they did not expect any of the two is that with the momentum, the slope left of your site and the rest you can imagine. My friend went down to check on Louis and found a person literally shattered with multiple hemorrhages and above the poor could survive even half an hour with the consequent agony. I will not discredit the Meritorious because all there in this life, but the two who went to the cavity only dedicated to getting them to practice what they considered an activity and have made them crazy up there. Regrettable.
weeks later, all his friends decided to put a slab of a reminder in the mouth Frigate (which even today is that I always thought respectable, but very bad for the newbies) and the first thing we decided was down to leave a bouquet of flowers, but without installing scarps. Anyway, I do not remember who did the installation but put a dynamic rope that ran through the sinkhole and in the midst of which deployed an electron. Well, everything went smoothly and when we finished I offered to remove one of the two ends of the rope. When I arrived at site made my hair stand on end, as some had thought smart tie in a hole in the rock and the edges cut like knives. The rope was cut more than half of its thickness and first entered my head ... ... ... ... "juer, however little we have to climb another headstone." While the latter is to play down the issue a bit, but really the lack of information he had at that time and our youth was about to play us a new and unfortunate trick.

"My friend and great person Luis Garzon Gil in memory upon completion of the 35 anniversary of his unfortunate accident. You will always be among us"

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ANECDOTES (2) - PARALLEL LIVES

In 1974 I knew that there was the GE Badalona, \u200b\u200band even there, nothing more. Easter morning that year I had to fulfill my military duties and then I have in the Sahara (including Green March) in a majestic landscape flat as a board. After 3 months of camp (of course nothing nice) I had before traveling to the Villa Cisneros (Dakhla now), the Society of Health.
As always I had spent on administration and more than half the time I played, one day and had a blackboard at the entrance, for longing, anxiety or boredom I painted the sign map of "Avenc ( sima).
The fact is that one day the guard after he called me and said that anyone asked me. There he began a great friendship that was still hard and Paco Miret (for car) GEB that seeing the sign, I guess that freaked by a tube to see that in the middle of a desert.
From there we flash explaining our war stories (I was then in the SE GELER) and taught me the Caves that sent him from the peninsula. We made a promise and was to make a cavity together when we licenciáramos. The cavity in question was "l'Avenc d'en Pomar" to "Pla d'Ardenya" of which are the pictures you see in this article.
And so to this day. The odd thing is that In 2003 I was diagnosed with cardiac injury who separated me from the Speleo. Time later and after 2 surgeries Paco Miret similar thing happened in the heart and is also now retired on medical advice. This reminds me of the book "Parallel Lives" of Publio Virgilio Maron, because even without doing caving, there are two at the bottom of the barrel.

(In appreciation of a great friend and a great person)

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the hard living

Back in the 80's, when it created the FCE, it, was only a sport, the Speleo. Over the years there have been adding more disciplines and this has created suspicion and mistrust more than one, especially the older ones, creating that which title "the hard living."
As someone who has gone through all these episodes and cognizant of how and why were generated and incorporated into the FCE, try to give a reasonable explanation of why it is something that should not be afraid, that this does not subtract if to add and that somehow we have been forced to reach a certain situation to not disappear as the Federation (and not only ours if not all small FEDES have been forced to go through the same situation.)
First of all I would like to think that in the FEEC and over the years the opposite has happened, which has reported a large number of licenses and a consequent increase in public subsidies (this is another of those paradoxes that more federated, more subsidy. unfair, but in this country is politically correct.) The truth is that sport for years appeared on the mountain, sport appropriating the FEEC (remember our case). Over the years, some of these disciplines have become independent and most have been claimed by their logical associations (skiing, mountain biking, trial, etc.).. Curiously, the only discipline that has preserved even shared with us is to Canyoning and all for a failure of the administration first, the refusal of a president of the FCE to bring to justice the subject and the final decision, forced the Administration for their own "Llei de l ' Esport "to qualify the practice ESPEL the" descent of canyons i engorjats "(canyons and gorges) and mountain practice" Barrancs decline "(cliffs). And they were so pleased, calling the same with 2 names different. A ridiculous decision, but they had to not only look bad with any of the 2 FEDES. Luckily the FEEF have changed much and are signed today agreements that cover such policy inconsistencies, such as mutual collaboration in the teaching of this discipline and organization of the meeting of canyoning "Gorgs."
Places theme, Canyoning is a discipline created by cavers and hence the logic of those who had to have this sport in their statutes. When created, raised many suspicions to the older generations of cavers and who considered it an intrusion into a federation that was hard to get to expel. I myself do not deny that was one of them, but eventually you learn that you can live and even though you do not like, people no longer paying annual fee as other and have their rights within the FCE as well as the rest. The downside is when you think that the practitioners of this discipline are being grants that may be for caving. I took 12 years to the federal scene, I can assure you that it is not and argument as follows.

· The more people, more income, more to distribute.

• The Canyons people do not have subsidized campaigns.

· have grants workshop, but are half that of caving and came at a time when the courses started Espeleo loose. Although some still have reservations with them, most have finished accepting as comrades of the Federation.

The following discipline that was incorporated into the statutes, all that was older than the guns, was the Espeleosub. Here and to comply with the law says the sport, had to make an agreement with FECDAS (Catalunya diving federation) and change the Staff Regulations, the discipline of Continental Espeleobusseig (Espeleobuceo on the Continent) ia FECDAS "Busseig Marí "(diving at sea). Rebuild the name, but it is what came out of the Administration.
Here there has not been any problem of coexistence because Espeleobuceo is almost as old as Espel also practiced in the same room and even through he discovered continuations that have ended up deep caving world-class, besides being a minority. I particularly admire the great dangers they face and why not say, "have a couple of sites."
The last and most contentious of the disciplines that it has joined the competition in TPV and we return to the same with the theme of which take a lot of money, money that could be for caving. Well, I'll try to dispel these fears.

• The incorporation of the competition was an "obligation to half" of the Administration to incorporate all the federations to what they understand as a sport. Ie entertainment events in the local general public for their enjoyment and final qualifying results to give a medal, trophy, or just the picture of the "podium."

• When I say the obligation half, we were told everyone not to be forced, but the federations who did not respond to it, would see their subsidies reduced gradually over the years, with the consequent danger of disappearing. In return, they incorporate to their discipline, would double or triple their subsidies.

• In the first year, the grant money was divided between the costs of the FCE, the historical self-activity of the Federation (grant has not increased, nor decreased) and the Competition. A couple of years later and to this day do not get stops (except for administrative expenses) to the division, but called for consistency and balance between the primitive and competition disciplines.

By this I tell you, NEVER has lowered the money caving subsidy (in contrast, have been increasing year after year) and the more money we get is to meet the requirement of the competition, without prejudice, or the caving, or the guns or the cave diving . Not accepting this, we were very clear that it was disappearing in a few years.
The conclusion here is that we see all those who practice one or the other as one and not as usurpers. I repeat that there is more money more licenses and remind you that the caving is going through moments of crisis from my point of view is generational and earnestly desire to be a passing blip. Consequently, the decline is caving Licensing offset by those who practice another discipline, which does not lose power to the FCE, the opposite is stronger than ever having gone in the ranking of CCE (Consell Català de l'Esport) from the bottom, a few years, to be in a high intermediate. I assure you that this progression has not gone unnoticed in the CDC or other Catalan sports federations.
also ask someone ... ... ... ... .... If this is so, why not get more money?. The answer is simple.

• Each region has its priorities.

· catalunya CA is one of the most powerful of the English State. Besides the hackneyed question of whether what we are given, for what we give, whether it is sufficient or not ... ... ... ... ... ... etc. etc. We are a community that has a melting pot of sports and cultural bodies "brutal" so that when it comes to share the cake ... ... ... .. up to less.

Of the latter had an experience with CS one year of grace when we asked if we could increase the subsidy. We were told that in the neighborhood of Barcelona (and those who are here will know) was a brutal amount of eligible entities and that it was impossible to stretch the cake. However, we were given a solution strange but true. We could look for a place in the district next door and since in the neighborhood had few entities to subsidize activities, we would play a higher subsidy. As to the issue of subsidies in Catalunya is the same. Do not want to lie because I do not really know well and I will tell you as receiving the Andalusian, although we know that is almost double ours. This proves what I said. Against culturally largest is the Community, more are small entities.
I think that since we have to share a table together "at the demand of script", it is best to get along and look to understand and respect what others do. No more. Believe me if you I say we will win all.

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Anecdotes (1) - LIGHTNING ... .... That affright! This starts well

At the beginning of the 70 were several colleagues from GELER "to make a cavity of the" Pla d'Ardenya. " At that time nobody had a car and caught the bus "Petit Canigó Farm" bound "Begues." From there we walked to our destination.
was the time of the electron and we all had one at the top of the backpack, the night was unstable (meteorologically speaking) and our youth and our inexperience played a trick on us.
At one point fell very close to a ray and we looked at all under his white light and we were like statues of salt with a look of horror on our faces. The good news is that all and without a word, thought the same thing at a time. "Electron cash in his backpack, took a lightning rod on top."
all at the same time throw the bag in the same place we were and what possessed we ran into the house that was in the "Pla d'Ardenya."
good thing is that nobody ran lie realized that we left a trail running air that attracted the lightning. We took refuge in the house, silent, dumb and when the rain stopped we had to undo the way to rediscover the place where we had left in disarray and retrieve their backpacks.
I personally I have a trauma with the rays from that small and on the roof of my house I saw a lightning rod dropped one that was in the building next door. I still remember, the sweltering heat off the beam. Also once and losing the "Pica d'Estats" I had a fatal seeing them fall to the right and left.

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Spreading Espeleo ......¿ With what means? I stand

This is and has always been one of the workhorses of the Speleo. There is talk about whether it is enough or not what is done from the FCE.
I had the opportunity for nearly 20 years of fighting this issue, first as organizer of the International Film Festival "from" EC de Gracia "and then in the FCE. After that time is that as goes the country lately, that's impossible.
The reasons are simple and compelling. In this country, unlike France, there is no media in a media culture covering, just the culture. Thus depriving the audience above all else and so we fall into "reality shows", shows a continuous mass and competitive battle to have more viewers than other channels.
For just one example. Actually spend several documentaries on TV, but small audience channels and few, very few are of own production. It is as if he had to leave space to culture, but without prejudice to what really matters. I remember once talking to a mayor of the City of "Barri de Gracia, at a time when his party ran the council and the government of the Generalitat de Catalunya, we answered the question of whether they could do something to introduce the "Festival of Cinema" by TV3 and the response was overwhelming ... .. "TV3 is impregnable even for politicians who are out of it." Today things have changed little.
On the other hand in the ECG as the FCE has insisted on the theme of seeking "sponsors." Luckily, years ago they learned of the issue and have insisted they collaborate more but not much in the dissemination of all sports. Another example is that the ECG went to talk to a leading brand of electronics, on its sponsorship. The question we did was very eloquent, "How many cavers (futurables buyers) are in Catalunya?. In saying that about 1,200 gave us hands and thanked us that we thought of them, but ... ... no interesábamos. Since the FCE
have been a thousand and one trial and the results remain the same. And that's all thanks to the "Unió de Federacions esportive de Catalunya (UFEC)" and their political connections we have published in the sports all the important events that have sent (Campaigns, discoveries, records, competitions TPV, clubs courses , etc.). Well, that's something. Only
is a resource and finance an advertising campaign, which is not economically available to the FCE and much less clubs.
The upshot of all this is that it's a real shame as before the problem was that there were no cameras who would like to download a cavity, now that there are people who have made special productions and some of them very good, the media does not want these productions because they do not spend a penny in things that then have to put in hours of low ratings. That's their opinion, of course, I am convinced that if the people of this country saw images of what we do and what is in the basement, alucinaría through a tube. But, of course, the TV will not risk even in a picture. When
change this trend?. Hard to tell but the Latin mentality (except of France) does not fit the "standars" cultural world. You may have to spend many generations, but ... ... ... ... ... ... it is difficult to predict.
To end this story shows: A string of TV and as a result of an act can not remember got in touch with the president of the FCE and offered to shoot some pictures to make known what was caving. The "pressure" I quote these people in the "Avenc of Passant" and when they got completely terrified she said "But we have to go down there". " At the final shot the "pressure" down a few feet and getting back and were satisfied. Clearly
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JL Galdón and I've been in this world for almost 40 years, but makes five heart disease I retired for good in spite of mine. I do not intend this blog to publish articles of caving because of those already published a lot and very good, just want to express my opinion about caving as an activity in this society, today and their problems.
Speaking of problems, I do not mean that caving has problems, but the problem of the lack of dedication there today, if is good, if it is bad. Also talk about the new disciplines that have been incorporated and its possible impact on this small crisis, of course if we agree that there is.
I do not want to pontificate, but try to at least draw light to why things fall in intensity at certain times and if this is done to find ways to revive interest in caving.
from my I will say that I started in a workshop of the year 1969 (down and up the electron) in the section of the years gone caving GELER GM of Barcelona. After I've been to other clubs like the SIRE Santana, Speleo Club de Gràcia, Poble Sec SE and currently in the Pirenaic RES. I've been a caver on end and I have been more to the training and administrative side. Everything and I participated in this campaign Arañonera System for 3 years.
know I'm not a saint of the devotion of some to defend the fact that the current draft of the Federation, but as rain never please everyone "I accept but do not accept insults and slights. I can stand up to criticism as destructive, but not more than that and I do because I do believe in freedom of thought and expression, and nobody may be charged with lying to anyone for such criticism, if I missed someone once.
I like to discuss things and I am able to recognize when I have no reason, just ask others the same. We can not save anything, but at least I like to help find ways of solution and make friends. Nothing more than that, so advance and I will not get to rag on any provocation (hopefully only talk about caving).